Why Christianity Is Spreading In India? August 16, 2006
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Are you wondering like me to know how chiristianity is spreading in india look at here. My intention is not argue with these conversions but how people are reporting to create a misconceptions about once religions.
The article says christianity is spreading in india becoz it is doing service to poor, i would say rather than service to poor they are funding the missionaries to convert hindus to christians.
The writer is a journalist from andhra, few lines from his great article.
Rajesh Sharma, a resident of Hyderabad says, “I’m an orthodox Brahmin and once introspected why Christianity is spreading in India? And why people are tending to convert into Christianity? I have got an understanding.
TTD has bagged 1.65 Crore in its Hundi only on Sunday i.e. on 13trh August 2006. And it is declared that it was the highest collection in recent days. It’s also stated that Tirumala is the highly visited pilgrimage in the world next to Vatican City. The rich property and collections of TTD is mammoth and whopping. But what the devoted Hindus tend to do when they get huge money? They attempt to make a golden crown to the idol of Lord Venkateswara and the list of gold ornaments goes unending. Can’t TTD establish schools and hospitals on par with that of Christian missionaries? Yes, it can do. But the funds are being circulated among TTD salaries, quarters and facilities for TTD employees and every development on Tirumala. Although TTD established a few marriage halls in many towns and cities, that’s not reaching the poor, needy, diseased and deprived of happiness.
Christians are building their empire on love and service. We Hindus are living mainly on blind worship of Lord without helping the poor. So, the Christian conversions cannot be stopped unless we get into service. Let us wish that the motive to serve starts with an individual and spreads till TTD. Otherwise Hinduism remains as a conformist religion in the history of mankind”.
He also added few lines like this to argue that he has no bias in his reporting.
On the other hand, a Christian Bible scholar says, “It is really bad and condemnable to go along with Christian conversions in forcible manner.
and finally his conclusion is this
To sum up, many are stating that it’s the lack of service motive among Hindus is shaking the roost of their religion. It’s thing to introspect, certainly.
I suspect that may be our beloved CM YSR may be appointed this guy to write articles in favour of christianity, who inturn advised by Sonia Gandhi, the foreign ruler of pseudo seculra india. I would like to ask this sirasri whether he is converted christian.
Long live sirasri, i think you should know first the ethics of journalism and then report on these issues.
What he has said is partially true. We should agree that Hindus won’t spend much time serving poor rather than serving God. We tend easily to drop money in the Hundi than to spend some money to uplift poor. And we discriminate people based on caste, gender. There are discriminations in Christianity but not as strong as Hinduism.
So other religions are cashing on the weakness of Hinduism. Chinna Jiyyar etc Hindu scholars always talks about Vedas, Agama sastras but why don’t they spend few days in Dalit villages? Why don’t they condemn publicly untouchbility? Why not themselves lead dalits into temples?
They don’t do that, As well they don’t want dalits to migrate other religions but want them stay as Hindus as Panchamas.
I don’t support the christian missionaries chosing ways to convert poor, uneducated people, what I am saying is insteadof showing others mistakes we first should correct our mistakes.
– Prasad
http://charasala.wordpress.com
“We tend easily to drop money in the Hundi than to spend some money to uplift poor.”
ok i agree with your point, but there are some organizations which work for the poor but they dont put themselves a tag of hindu missionaries (except RSS, we can argue on that later). how do you describe the upliftment of poor, by exploiting thier illiteracy, innocence and poverty in the name of religion. If anybody has real intention to serve the poor they dont have to convert thier religion. why a poor hindu is not been served by these so called christian missionaries. are the missionaries only christians? (iam talking about the missionaries who are converting poor, there are a lot of missionaries which are exception to this).
As you said, chinna jiyyar etc people are here to protect the religion, much like the bishops and pope. have ever seen a pope or bishop going to dalit villages, they just give speeches on……
instead of asking hindu scholars, we the hindu people should take part in social service. it is not fair to say since hindus are not serving poor they can be converted to christianity so that the missionaries will serve
THE TOPIC IS WHY CHRISTIANITY IS SPREADING IN INDIA.
CHRISTIANITY WILL SPREAD NOT ONLY IN INDIA BUT, THROUGH OUT THE WORLD.
BECAUSE THERE IS A FORCE KNOWN AS HOLY SPIRIT BEHIND IT
HOLY SPIRIT = THE SPIRIT OF GOD ALMIGHTY
IS LEADING CHRISTIANS IN PROPAGATING THE MESSAGE OF LOVE
CHRISITANS ARE SPREADING THE MESSAGE OF LOVE .
THERE IS NO NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THE MESSAGE OF LOVE
JESUS IS THE CHRIST THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD
WHO WILL APPEAR SOON ON THE PLANET EARTH
HE WILL STOP ALL MISUNDERSTANDINGS OF RELIGIONS AND STOPS
PEOPLE TO WAR AND ESTABLISH HIS RULE ON THIS PLANET
UNTIL THEN NO ONE OR ORGANIZATION CAN STOP SPREADING THE
MESSAGE OF LOVE GIVEN BY LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST
FOR FULL INFORMATION PLEASE READ NEW TESTAMENT WRITTEN
BY THE HOLY SAINTS OF JESUS CHRIST UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF
HOLY SPIRITY
MAY LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST BLESS YOU ALL WITH HIS LOVE AND
GRACE
my dear anadham the other world is not practising christianity, only a bunch of people are practising this religion. those who are practising in the western world are worried about thier religion being extinguished, thats why they are giving funds to people like you to spread the christianity in the name of spreading love. here i would like to ask you how do you define your message of love. you people are interested in thier funds not thier love.
go man go and spread your message of love, take some innocent poor people photographs and get funds from western people. you first go and read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#The_idea_that_Jesus_never_existed
The so called journalist has given some valid points to justify what he is writing. But this blogger, has just blindly tried to lable the journalist as converted christian or YSR puppet or Sonia Gandhi’s bla bla.. the important thing is, instead of talking like a politican, this blogger “Nenu” should give valid points arguing aginst the journalist if he doesn’t agree. Labling doesn’t say anything other than arrogance. No offence.
By the way, journalist infact did bring up some valid points and TTD has to take more resposibility since it is getting the most important ingradient for the purpose. Money.
-Mallik
http://mallikreddy.blogspot.com
@mallik,
i dont understand what valid points he has given for his article, i dont agree with his conclusion that becoz of lack service motives among hindus is the vital cause for christian conversions. i would have agreed if he talks about social evils or something else probably.
how can you justify that becoz hindus are not service motive so they can be converted as long as they are like that. i would ask you why TTD has to take steps to do this, i would say we the people has to take some steps, we can spare a little amount from what we donate in the name of god, we dont do this and we just blame the TTD or the entire religion. one should ask themselves before arguing have we ever donated a penny to the poor. TTD is not accepting money from devotees for the sake of service to the poor and it is doing something like funding the SV univerity, padmavathi university it is conducting anna dana schemes to give meal to the devotees or the poor.
the christian missionaries are getting funding from the western countries, if they give $100, that is equal to some Rs.4400, they can spend that amount for the service of the poor. hindu organisations wont get hundreds of dollars, they only get in rupees. you cant compare both of them and we the bloody always blame the hindus whatever they do, becoz we are majority and all the others are minority. minority rights to be protected when it comes to majority let them go to hell. we are all living in a pseudo secular country where people talk to appease minorities. this is the worst part of the country.
YSR is puppet, has he ever took a single decision without telling to high command in delhi and do you know who is that high command. if he doesnt have freedom to rule then better he should resign and let madam rule the state.
may be i am arrogant, may be i am like a politician, i dont care.
Nenu,
YOur points are correct as well some of the journalists points are valid. If X is saying against our views we should not brand him as our enemy. Whoever said what is said need to be considered.
You are questioning why shopuldnot christian missionaries serve poor without converting them.. how can you expect that? we can expect others behave in such a way that we like. They believe ( as Anandam) Christ is the only way to reach God, since they believe it so heartdly they try to convert non christians to christians.
My point is not to concentrate on what others are doing, concentrate what we can do.
You only saying that poor, innocent, illetaral people are being targeted. SO we have to work on those poor, innocent and illetaral people .. we need to tell them they are not abondaned by Hinduism, we need to create trust in them.
Howmany villages are allowing dalits into their temples? Howmany of them are allowing to drink water from their wells? We, the people of India treated the invaders, foreign muslims as rulers and there is untouchbility practiced against muslims. Those who came from western countries are treated as “DORA” and there is no untouchbility practiced against them..but for those who are part of us we are treating them as untouchbles..still denying equal access to many public places.. fight on them.
By saying this I am not supporting christianity or christian missionaries.. I myself donot believe in God, so don’t believe in conversion. As Vivekananda said we don’t need convert from any religion to another religion, every religion is great. If people practice truly their own religion peace will be there every where.
What I am saying is insteadof blaming others lets try to clean our house first. I have quoted “Chinna Jiyyar” etc religious leaders is whatever they is has great impact on masses… leave your matts come to the poor, innocent, illeterate people and try to change their mindsets. Then they don’t feel abandoned.. unlikely tend toward other religions. And again we don’t need to compare Jiyyars with pope or bishop. Why should we take them as model?
– Prasad
http://charasala.wordpress.com
prasad,
i am not telling everything in the article is flawed, everybody has his own ideas and its not my intention to hurt anybody, i tried to focus how a person is reporting an issue. this has come so long.
I wont blame you, why should you have your views and i have mine and you dont have to be a particluar religion to comment or express your views.
As you said there are some problems like untouchbility etc, those are social evils and everybody should condemn these things, but the article author didnt mention any of these he based all his analysis in servie moto of the two religions. thats why i siad its biased and it is written in so arrogant manner.
1 Corinthians 13
1 Suppose I speak in the languages of human beings and of angels. If I don’t have love, I am only a loud gong or a noisy cymbal. 2 Suppose I have the gift of prophecy. Suppose I can understand all the secret things of God and know everything about him. And suppose I have enough faith to move mountains. If I don’t have love, I am nothing at all. 3 Suppose I give everything I have to poor people. And suppose I give my body to be burned. If I don’t have love, I get nothing at all.
4 Love is patient. Love is kind. It does not want what belongs to others. It does not brag. It is not proud. 5 It is not rude. It does not look out for its own interests. It does not easily become angry. It does not keep track of other people’s wrongs.
6 Love is not happy with evil. But it is full of joy when the truth is spoken. 7 It always protects. It always trusts. It always hopes. It never gives up.
8 Love never fails. But prophecy will pass away. Speaking in languages that had not been known before will end. And knowledge will pass away.
9 What we know now is not complete. What we prophesy now is not perfect. 10 But when what is perfect comes, the things that are not perfect will pass away.
11 When I was a child, I talked like a child. I thought like a child. I had the understanding of a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.
12 Now we see only a dim likeness of things. It is as if we were seeing them in a mirror. But someday we will see clearly. We will see face to face. What I know now is not complete. But someday I will know completely, just as God knows me completely.
13 The three most important things to have are faith, hope and love. But the greatest of them is love.
@anadham
1. i would ask you that only christians spread love?
2. christians only spread love if the other person is also a christian, then you are a christian and you will never became a humanitarian.
1. NO NOT YET ALL, MANY SAGES PREACHED THE SAME THING
EXP- ADI SANKARACHARYA, SHIRIDI SAI BABA, PUTTAPARTI SAI BABA
MAHATMA GANDHI, SWAMY DAYANANDA SARASWATHI, TIRU ALWAR SWAMULU,
ARABINDO GOSH ETC ETC
2.PLS READ THE FOLLOWING WORDS,
Matthew 5:42-44 (Worldwide English (New Testament))
42When someone asks you for something, give it to him. When someone wants to borrow something from you, let him have it.’
43`You have heard that the law says, “Love your neighbour and hate your enemy.”
44But I tell you, love your enemies. Ask God to do good to those who trouble you.
Romans 12:19-21
19My dear brothers, do not punish people who do wrong to you. But let God’s anger punish them. In the holy writings the Lord says, `I myself will punish people. If they have done wrong things, I will do wrong things to them also.’
20But, `If your enemy is hungry, give him food. If he is thirsty, give him a drink. When you do that, it will be as if you put a pile of coals from the fire on his head.’
21Do not let wrong things win a victory over you. But win a victory over wrong things by the good things you do.
Is it really possible to change/convert a person into Christianity unless he/she accepts on thier own. I think
just a political parties may say forcefull conversions into Christianity are happening, but after all some of
the politician in India, never leaves any chance to encash the situations. Religion is one of their item.
As per my understanding nobody (religion) can convert forcefully into their religions.
What is a force? is that money or just showing a knife and ask some one to change their religion. Both (money
or knife) will not work.
Just think yourself for what benefit(money or power) you will change your religion if I ask you to convert
from one religion to another religion. Do you convert for money, Home or Land. I know your answer is NO. I even
cannot convince my own brothers/sisters on an issue. They have thier own opinions. If your belief is strong,
no one can change your mind.
If at all, one can change the mind, our politicians(always one person) can easily win in elections. But people
are very intellegent, even though they take money from the politicians during elections, they are not voting
them in the elections. Thats why ruling parties are changing after spending a lot of money.
Even if they vote a person after taking some money, they forget the person and they don’t vote in the next
election (that means no sustainability by offering some money).
Likewise if Christians gives money for so called forcefull convertions, their religion will not sustain in the
world. People will come back to thier original religion. But surprisingly that is not happening.
There were some incidents where Christians tried to convert people (when the Tsunami hit the costal) by
offering some thing, but they failed in their attempts. Reason is very simple, as I told, force will not work
to convert a person. Even though people are in need they are not ready to change their religion. Then who
else is changing?
I have converted Christian friends, but nobody has forced them for their convertion.
I surprise why even educated people believes focefull convertion is possible.
Let us assume there is a person who does’t have belief on any God
If we give millions of dollars will he accept God (ofcourse he may take the millions, but he never accepts God
in his mind)
If that is the case, even by giving some more dollars we can change his parents and we can ask him to accept
some others as his parents.
For our commonsense, it is very clear, it is not possible to change the mindset of a person forcefully.
Friends, let us not believe if some one says Christians are changing forcefully.
Let us think why people are converting into Christianity? What is there in their religion? Seek God, definetly
you will find Him.
God bless all of us.
Love in Christ.
Sudhir
Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
48 I am that bread of life.
If you think conversions or the freedom to choose your own religion is bad…then why not ban democracy? Democracy is but the freedome to choose your leader according to your consience. So, if people want to ban the option of your choosing your own religion, then why not ban democracy also,and be done with it. In case you dont know, the freedom of conscience or freedom to propagate your ideas, or free speech is one of the fundamental human rights.
@TxAg
we are talking about forceful conversions, first read the post and comments fully and comment. we know fundamental rights and how they are exploited.
Mr. Sudhir, Your argument that people won’t accept God unless they believe in God and your comparison of changing parents with God does not seem to hold water. Gullible people are being forced and convinced to change religion in villages.
Have you seen video on conversions in indiacause.com? The video clearly shows hundreds of young children reciting prayers. Efforts are being made to plant the belief in Jesus since early childhood. All these young children will become firm believers. Hundreds of thousands of people are made to congregate and recite prayers. Now have you read 08/30 andhraprabha.com. Nagarjuna is considering to act in Jesus with producer being Murali Mohan. These big stars movies will have a huge impact on the mindset of the rural people.
I urge all the members in the forums to donate to such organisations as VHP, RSS, Dharma Raksha Samiti, Karnataka No 55 1st Main Road, Seshadripuran Bangalore 560020
Pour in dollars and wage the war on conversions…
Period 8th C. AD
Place Uraiyur
Other Names Paanar, Muni-vaahanar, Yogi-vaahanar, Kaveeswarar
Month Kaarthigai
Star (Natshatram) Rogini (Rohinee)
Hamsam Srivatsam
Cauvery river which flows towards the Chozha Empire, makes the land rich in all of its production and wealth. Lots of Andhanars (Who always thinks of Sriman Narayanan) and good knowledged poets are found here. Lots of poets and Sri Vishnu bhaktas has raised the popularity of the Chozha Empire.
Uraiyoor is the capital of Chozha Empire at that time and lots of big buildings and houses full of lights are found which is one of the beautiful scene that has to be seen and enjoyed.
Uraiyoor is found near Sri Rangam. Since, Uraiyoor is rich in all of its wealthness, Sri Emperumaan is found in this sthalam as found in Sri Rangam as “Aranga Naadhan”.
Dharma Varman, who ruled the Chozha Empire, wanted her daughter, Neela Devi to get married to Sri Ranganathan. But, he doesnt know that Neela Devi was the hamsam of Naachiyaar (Uraiyoor Naachiyaar and got married to Sri Ranganathar.
Sri Rangam, which is called the Bhoologa Vaikundam is surrounded by divine breeze and musical people. Nearer to Sri Rangam, is found a small village named “Alagapuri”, where lots of musical people are found. One small place named “Baanar Cheri” is found, where Baanar (or) musicians, who are capable of arresting the minds of all people and even the Devas and Rishis.
But as the time went on, these baanars are separated and kept as a separate categorised peoples and who were treated as untouchables. But, in that categorised people, as the hamsam of the small mole, called as “Srivatsam” which is found in the chest of Sriman Narayanan, a small child born in this world in Purthurmadhi year, Kaarthigai month, Wednesday in Rohini Natshatram and it is “Thiruppaan Alwar”.
His Characters and all of his activities are same as that of a pure Vaishnavas have. Having a veena in his hand, he always sang on Sri Vishnu and his fame and spread his capabilities and the love he offers to his bhaktas, in his songs. Because of this, he is also named as “Paan perumal”.
The untouchable people are ordered not to keep their feets on Cauvery river. Because of this and to obey the order, Paan Alwar did not touch the cauvery river, but stood along the banks of the river facing Thiruvaragam temple and sung various songs, praising the Lord.
But, the Emperumaan wanted to explain the greatness and his Bhakthi of Thiruppaan Alwar towards Him and as an action to it, he started to play a small drama.
The cauvery water is used for the Thirumanjanam for Sri Ranganadhar. Loga Saaranga Maha Muneetharar, who is the strict follower and a devoted bhakta of Sri Ranganathar, daily bring the cauvery water of Thriumanjanam. One day, when he was sleeping, he had a dream in which the Aranganadar explained about Paan Perumal and he should be taken on the shoulders of Loga Saaranga muni, without having the mind that he is an untouchable person.
Loga Saarangamuni, who being the strong follower of Sri Vishnu, got up early next morning and went to the other side of Cauvery river and met Thiruppaan Alwar. On seeing him, he explained about the dream he had last night and told him that he should climb on his shoulders, so that he can be taken to the other side of the Cauvery river, where Sri Ranganathar is giving his seva.
On hearing this, thiruppaan Alwar started crying, since he is not the right person, should climb on his shoulder, since Logasaranga Muni is a well known Vaishnavan.
But, Saranga Muni explained without having any jealous that on behalf of him only, Sriman Narayanan came in his dream and praised him that he is the person who will be honoured if he climbs on his shoulders.
Thirupaan Alwar could not convince him and finally he sat on on his shoulders. Saranga Muni started walking towards him Sri Arangathan through the Cauvery river. All the people of the village were surprised to see this scene and stood in silence without knowing what to do.
After reaching the temple,Saranga Muni made Thiruppaan Alwar to get down from his shoulders and raising his hands, he went to the corner of the Sannadhi and stood in silence, seeing the Perumal.
After getting down, Thiruppan Alwar could not believehis eyes because he was seeing Perumal who thinks that he could not see him in his life. His body was cooled and the eyes started to drop the tears. Both of his hands were raised above his head and he started to sing slokas on Sri Arangathan.
First he saw was the Thiruvadi(lotus feet)of Aranganathan and started to sing the pasuram:-
“Neel madhil Arangathamman thrukkamalpadham vandhu en Kanninullana okkinrathe.”
After seeing the beaauty of the thiruvadi,he started to see step by step of the whole body of Emperumaan,he sung ten paasurams which explain the beauty of Sri Ranganathar from his thiruvadi (foot) to thirumudi(head).
He explains in his ten paasuram about the clean safron cloth which is worn on the body of Ranganathar, his jewels the thiru vayiru(stomach) from where Lord Brahma originated, the broad chest, the red lips and finally on explaining the beauty of the two broad eyes, he fell down. After some time, Thiruppaan Alwar was not found and he went in to the body of Thiruvarangathan. Like Andal, whose thought was always on Aranganathan, who was captured by the love of the Perumal, Thiruppaan Alwar was also captured by the love and he went towards the Aranganathan.
Thiruppaan Alwar has sung only ten paasurams,but in that itself,he has explained about how a human should be. He explains in that ten paasurams tha Perumal is the leader and our aim should be to reach Him and to get the complete Saranagathi(total surrender) in HIs thiruvadi, and that is the final place,where all of us has to reach.
Inspite of born in an untouchable category, but as a result of his devotion towards Sriman Narayanan,he was listed among the great twelve Alwars.
Likewise,eventhough if we are not like Thiruppaan Alwar, we can atleast think of him and do our daily duties of helping others. so that we can attain the Perumal’s thiruvadi, where all the Alwars reached.
http://www.acns.com/~mm9n/downloads/EarlyIndia.pdf
Mt 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Mt 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mt 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Mt 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
Mt 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Mt 14:7 Whereupon he promised with an oath to give her whatsoever she would ask.
Mt 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Mt 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Hi Kal,
You have mentioned “Gullible people are being forced and convinced to change religion in villages.”
If they are being convinced for a fact, what was the problem? if they accept.
They(Gullible people) have a right to choose their option.
What I am emphasising is one can convince but cannot force.
Even a parent cannot force their childred (probably parents wish their child to become either a doctor or engineer, but if the child doesn’t like he could not be succeeded in his attempts and finally the child fials as he doest have interest in a particular subject)
The above fact is accepted universally and parents are suggested not to force their children.
Educationalists are also suggesting teachers not to beat a child for education (beating (forcing) will not give education to a child). This is a proven fact by force we cannot get anything done even for a small kid.
If we cannot force a kid, how can we force a young man?
If a person is convinced for a anything, no one can say he is forced.
If we force more for anything, we need to face more repulsion – Why is not happend to Gullible people?
Kal could not write with what Gullible people are forced to change their religion?
Now in India, the youth is following Europian culture? Who is forcing them to follow? is that acceptable to all the parents? Are they able to control(either force/convince) their own children?
Who is still so innocent to accept what he doesn’t like?
If Gullible people doesnot want to change their religion (if they have any religion prior to conversion) how can they be forced?
Some of the Races in Inida are not allowed inside Hindu Temples(i.e those races doesnot have any religion) If they accept Christianity (as they don’t have any religion) what is the problem to Hindus.
No religion is saying bad to humans, what is the problem with the religion?
from the above examples what I would like to say is if really Gullible people were forced, they will not sustain in Christianity, sure they will come back to their original religion if they have.
There are many problamatic areas to concentrate (ex: Terrorism etc.,) why don’t you work for them?
Simply, by forcing or convincing Christianity will not sustain.
People are accepting the religion whole heartedly.
Nobody can stop the Christian religion in the world. The creator of Heaven and Earth only making all these things.
God bless all of us.
Love in Christ
Sudhir
Compassion costs. It is easy enough to argue, criticize and condemn, but redemption is costly, and comfort draws from the deep. Brains can argue, but it takes heart to comfort.
Those who do not even try to reach out or accept precious(Gullible people), do not stand a prayer.
Chrsitians love and reach out even to the most poor person is not to manipulate but to show the love of Christ to them.
I accepted Christian God recently. No one persuaded me or manipulated me. Out of own will and reasoning I accepted God. No one has forced me.
Have you read anywhere that Christians beat hindus to convert? NO! If Christians reaching out and the (Gullible People) receiving is out of their own will, then what is Hindu’s problem?
Christians share a morsel of food not outside of the gate but they invite the (Gullible People) inside, accept and love them. What do Hindus do? They do give outside without accepting or loving. Y’see, there is a difference. One gives out of love and the other gives out earn brownie points to live eternally. Where is the sacrifice?
If they cannot accept or love a person in front of their eyes, then how would they love God whom they have never seen?
If you want a true picture of who You are, You should not look in the mirror or to your resume; You should take a good hard look at the Cross—for that moment more than any other defines You.
Christ accepted me just as I am with out any reservations. I have been accepted and invited as who I am in the community.
And I am thankful….again it’s a person’s own intellect and expereince that asks questions about the motive of religion and embraces when it is found. The freedom of choice has been given not coerced…
The whole thing about Christian God is a load of crap. Who is the Christian God.. There is no proof that any such man existed..
People like Aparna and Sudhir are the idiots who can be swayed by any talk.. Why are Indians converting to Christianity when so many whites are embracing Hinduism and Buddhism.
Because people Aparna and Sudhir are mentally not upto the markk.
They need some assurance that they are important..So the convert thinking it will raise their status..
Stupid and immature Clowns, nothing less
Dear Hindu:
Sometimes people who do not believe complain, “If God really exists, why isn’t the evidence more plain and simple?” “Is God tricking us by making us hunt and search for answers?” They say, “Why isn’t the evidence for the God of the Bible clearer?” That is, why isn’t the evidence for the truth of the Scriptures so obvious and undeniable that virtually everyone would acknowledge it, repent, and accept Christ as personal savior?
There are two reasonable demands for any set of evidence. First, the evidence should be clear enough to be intellectually sound at the same level of certainty one uses in making other important decisions. Second, the evidence must be clear enough to select one set of claims over another (that is, clear enough to select Christianity over other religions).
Some are tempted to apply the rule that “the more critical the decision, the clearer the evidence must be.” They demand that the evidence for Christianity must be extraordinarily and especially clear to win their allegiance. The problem with this standard is that it assumes that there are no consequences to the decision. If, however, there are cataclysmic consequences to the observer, he will have to settle for “sufficient evidence, or the most trustworthy evidence.”
The more appropriate rule is: “The more severe the consequences, the less we should take risks.” Therefore, even if biblical Christianity has a less than one-in-ten-million chance of being true, we should accept it because the possibility of an eternal Hell is such a great torment. If the available evidence shows that biblical Christianity is “the most trustworthy” of all religions, then we are on even firmer ground.
Every religion has its own holy book, but the Bible is different from all the others. It claims to be the very Word of God, not dropped out of the sky but God-breathed, infused with God’s power as He communicated His thoughts and intent through human writers.
The Bible was written over a period of 1500 years, by about forty different writers, on three different continents. They addressed a wide variety of subjects, and yet the individual books of the Bible show a remarkable consistency within themselves. There is a great deal of diversity within the Bible, at the same time displaying an amazing unity. It presents an internally consistent message with one great theme: God’s love for man and the great lengths to which He went to demonstrate that love.
If you pick up any city newspaper, you won’t find the kind of agreement and harmony in it that is the hallmark of the biblical books. A collection of documents that spans so much time and distance could not be marked by this unity unless it was superintended by one Author who was behind it all. The unity of the Bible is evidence of God’s existence.
One other aspect of the Bible is probably the greatest evidence that God exists and that He has spoken to us in His holy book: fulfilled prophecy. The Bible contains hundreds of details of history which were written in advance before any of them came to pass. Only a sovereign God, who knows the future and can make it happen, can write prophecy that is accurately and always — eventually — fulfilled.
Jesus: The Ultimate Evidence
Dear Hindu: the most astounding thing God has ever done to show His existence to us is when He passed through the veil between heaven and earth and came to live among us as a man.
Jesus Christ was far more than just a great moral teacher. He said things that would be outrageous if they weren’t true, but He backed them up with even more outrageous signs to prove they were. Jesus claimed not to speak for God as a prophet, but to be God in human flesh. He said, “If you’ve seen Me, you’ve seen the Father” (John 14:9), and, “The Father and I are one” (John 10:30). When asked if He was the Messiah, the promised Savior, He said yes. He told his contemporaries, “Before Abraham was, I am”(John 8:58). The fact that His unbelieving listeners decided then to kill Him shows that they realized He was claiming to be Yahweh, God Almighty.
When Jesus told His followers that He was the Good Shepherd (John 10:11-18), they would immediately be reminded of a passage in the book of Ezekiel where Yahweh God pronounced Himself shepherd over Israel (Ez. 34:1-16). Jesus equated Himself with God.
But words are cheap, so Jesus backed up His words with miracles and signs to validate His truth-claims. He healed all sorts of diseases in people: the blind, the deaf, the crippled, lepers, epileptics, and even a woman with a twelve-year hemorrhage. He took authority over the demons that terrorized and possessed people. He even raised the dead.
Jesus showed His authority over nature, as well. He calmed a terrible storm with just a word. He created food out of thin air, with bread and fish left over! He turned water into wine. He walked on water.
He showed us what God the Father is like; Jesus was God with skin on. He was loving and sensitive, at the same time strong and determined. Children and troubled people were drawn to Him like a magnet, but the arrogant and self-sufficient were threatened by Him. He drenched people with grace and mercy while never compromising His holiness and righteousness.
And after living a perfect life, He showed His love to us by dying in our place on a Roman cross, promising to come back to life. Who else but God Himself could make a promise like that—and then fulfill it? The literal, bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ is the final, greatest proof that there is a God, that Jesus is God Himself, and that God has entered our world and showed us the way to heaven so we can be with Him forever. He said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except by Me” (John 14:6).
God exists, and He has spoken. He made a “just right” universe that is stamped with clues of its Maker. He placed eternity in our hearts, as Ecclesiastes tells us, and all people have a strong moral streak because we are made in the image of a moral God. The evidence of design in our bodies, our world and the universe is a signpost pointing to a loving, intelligent Designer behind it all. The unity of the Bible and the hundreds of fulfilled prophecies in it show the mind of God behind its creation. And we’ve looked at the way Jesus punched through the space-time continuum to show us what God looks like, and opened the doorway to heaven. Jesus is the clearest evidence of all that God does exist and He is the God of all, the Christian God.
Dear Hindu: conversion is the healing of the moral sickness of our souls. What hope is there for the criminal who commits a crime and also stubbornly rejects the offer of free forgiveness?
Conversion in the biblical sense means a transformation of our hearts and minds. It is a regeneration of our souls that are sick or dead in sin. We are converted when we repent of our sin and “born again”, by the grace of God to become God’s children. Such conversion of our souls is essential for transforming our culture.
When I say.”I am a Christian,”
I’m not shouting, “I am saved.”
I’m whispering, “I get lost!”
“That is why I chose this way.”
When I say.”I am a Christian,”
I don’t speak of this with pride.
I’m confessing that I stumble
And need someone to be my guide.
When I say.”I am a Christian,”
I’m not trying to be strong.
I’m professing that I’m weak
And pray for strength to carry on.
When I say.”I am a Christian,”
I’m not bragging of success.
I’m admitting I have failed
And cannot ever pay the debt.
When I say.”I am a Christian,”
I’m not claiming to be perfect.
My flaws are too visible.,
But God believes I’m worth it.
When I say.”I am a Christian,”
I still feel the sting of pain.
I have my share of heartaches
Which is why I seek His name.
When I say.”I am a Christian,”
I do not wish to judge.
I have no authority.
I only know I’m loved.
Dear Hindu: I am praying for you and for others. I have accepted Christ not for physical identification but for spiritual identification. Knowing all the facts you see, I chose to follow Truth. Change of heart does bring humility & acceptance not importance or position. There are many like Sudhir (whoever he is, bless his heart in the Lord) and me who chose to investigate the Truth and believe in rather than follow what is shoved… Hope, someday you too would understand!! Take care dear Hindu….
Hello Hindu,
Today is 14th Sept 2006 AD. i.e. without reffering to Jesus nobody in the world can specify a day in the History. i.e Whole world is accepting Jesus existance.
Do you know the scripture written in Vedas “Sarva loka papa pariharardham rakhta prokshanam avasyam, thadh raktam paramatveva punyadhana baliyagam” It clearly says “to save the world from sin, blood needs to be shed”, Who fullfilled this? Jesus only has shed his precious blood on the cross, he died for us and rose again from the dead.
There is only one empty grave in the world. Even though there was tight security He rose from the dead.(Pilate said to them, You have a watch. Go and make it as secure as you can. And again they made the tomb secure, sealing the stone along with the guard. Mathew 27:65,66).
Hindu, I hope definetly one day you will realize and accept Jesus as your personal savior. Sadhu Sundar Sing burnt the Bible and he hated Jesus, but finally accepted Jesus as God. There are many incidents like this in Christian History. Nobody has forced them. they themself realized the fact and accepted Jesus.
God bless all of us.
Love in Christ
Sudhir
after reading this ..i m also interested to express my own vies..
ok fine may b JESUS may b only god..on earth…may b some other ….blah.blah..god..
but i saw some christian motherfuckers,assholes….telling people that..
“y u r praying to statues..see u hindus r drowning in flood of papas..ur gods r demons infact becoz they r not worth enough to be praised but only JESUS ..see u hindu people treat dead ppl to b gods then ur gods..venkateshwar,shiva….all r dead..or not at aall existing .”
WHAT M SAYING IS IF U JUST LISTEN TO THEM U VIL B MESMORIZED .
U VIL B THINKING DAT THEY R RIGHT…
REALLY I WANNA KILL THOSE PPL WHO TRIES TO CHANGE IN DIS
NO NEED TO BOTHER ABT NY GOD ..DO BELIEVE IN U..TRY TO HELP THE NEEDYS..
Hello my friend,
I work for a MNC software company, once we faced an internal audit. Auditors need a well defined document for all the process we follow.
If we cannot show our process (in a document) they will not accept our words and they question how do we believe whether you
are following the process told. ie. whatever we do, we need to document it and we have to follow it strictly. (whether we
follow it or not is also secondary but we need to have a process document)
I give you one more example, even if you take a court, the Judge has to tell all the sections and clauses. (as per the IPC section so and so court punishes the criminal like this). i.e. without referring (what is written in the law books) no man (Judge) can do any thing.
When you say some thing (NO NEED TO BOTHER ABT NY GOD ..DO BELIEVE IN U..TRY TO HELP THE NEEDYS..) on your own it is not at all acceptable to any one as it is not written anywhere and your words will not stand for an argument.
All of you know there are many definitions for love, every one have their onw interpretaions, but if one say it is only attraction another will not accept. Love is not limited to a particular region or country but to the whole world (all races and religions) that is why no man can define it, even if you say something that is not acceptable to some others.
If I say on my own, no one will accept, I show you the testimonies given and written in the Bible.
St. Paul killed many followers of Jesus. (after Jesus crucifixion) But he converted and given his testimony later, He has written a letter to Corinthians
1st Corinthians 15:12-19
The Risen Christ, Our Hope
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Now if Christ is preached that He has been rised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not raised.
And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is vain and your faith is also vain.
Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up – if in fact the dead do not rise.
For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.
And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.
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God bless you all.
Sudhir
FIGHT AGAINST OUR OWN RELIGION.
Interesting dicsuccion…Recently I was ging thru the same dilemma.
Are they converting or they just serving. both are true. They are converting by levaraging the prevailing circumstances like our own untouchablity. True beliver like Sudheer and Aparna are selfles and true belivers in seving poor. But they may be just pawn in the great christian kingdom. We know only actions we never know the intensions of the people at the ruling stage like POPE.
Friends time is reached for to create nonothe Bhakthi movment. Lets not divert our rnergy to other religions.
This time let our Bhakthi movement should cleanup thease acts before even it starts.As many scholors here said lets cleaup our act.
1) Our religois leaders has to leve their mutt and create theirs mutt in between Dhalits.
2) Lets create a sence of beloging to Indians that they are Hindus.
many people do not know that they are hindus.
3) People who are stragling to meet their baisc needs like food , shelter , and clothes never know their religion. We people who are fighting jus represent a tiny fraction of people of India.
4) Instead of fighting other religions lets see how can we improve our own religion to the modern day needs. Or at lest preserve it to its original fundamentals of the religion.
Ultimately conversion atters. Many politicle people will use this as a tool to get votes. As the converted christians see the politicle and economical benefits and more people will convert without any force. and soon Hindus will becomes a minority. We survived the greatest invasions , I think if we cannot sustainn the current invasion of christianity we will loose our identity and intern it will lead to unstability of the country. Once again this is not fight against any other religion but the FIGHT AGAINST OUR OWN RELIGION.
Hi Reddy,
Our testimony is Jesus is only the God and there is no salvation with out accepting him.
God has been giving opportunities to know about Him. There are many TV channels preaching the word of God 24 hours a day and 7 days a week.
now it is every one responsibility to know whether whatever they are saying is correct or not?
people will always try to go through news channels/news papers to know crime, political situations etc.,
then how much is it required to find out the real God.
if it is not correct (if Jesus is not God) then they(non Christians) don’t have any problem.
But if Jesus is only the God, then what is your(those who do not accept Jesus) condition. Then at the end, He will ask you why did you believe even though there were many testimonies. what will be your answer? you will be helpless.
Reddy was telling, we (Christians) are pawns and they don’t know the intension behind.
Can you tell Reddy, the intention behind the following
1) Christian schools
2) Christian Hospitals
3) Christian orphan homes
Christian contries are giving lot of funds to help the people, what is the benifit for them?
If you take “Tirupati”, also get lot of money, but nobody knows where will it go?
May God bless all of us.
Hi Aparna,Sudhir & Anandham,
).But please dont try 2 lead people like us into that dark path telling about some unknown jesus and all..
Its a knows fact that xian missionaries are finding different ways to convert non-xians to xians..especially hindus..previosuly they used to give chocolates and eatables to hindu children when they come near a church as kids will be more tempted to accept those and love the people who gave that..As time progressed, they changed their tricks..Now they are giving money to the poor..
Aparna was telling “No1 is forced to be an Xian..they themselves believe afterwards”
But for your kind information, let me tell “xian missionaries ARE FORCING people(especially the people who accept help from them) to get converted to xianity.” .And if they are not willing to get converted, the offer that was made previosuly is denied.I know huge no of cases like this. So for money,ONLY FOR MONEY, people are accepting that person named jesus as their saviour.
And poor xians are copying anything and everything from Hindus..becoz they dont hav nything of their own to boost about..
For eg: Sudhir, do u know ur own name is a Hindu name? If u are a strong believer of that jesus, y u want to adopt a hindu name? dont u hav any name in ur religion??
Anyways aparna and Sudhir, you yourselves are going in some dark path..Dont no whether u aceepted that for money (For Aparna,nyways u made it clear that u accepted it 4 fame
And Mr.anantham, this is not a blog to yap about your bible quotes..U can post if u hav 2 write nything sensible..
After reading all the posts, I would also like to post my opinion….
Its true that Christian missionaries under the pretext of their service are converting Hindus….
The sole purpose is THE VOTE BANK… It a very long term objective I must say.
Truly speaking, we, Hindus are more responsible for this incident than those greedy missionaries… Caste system which was the need of those ancient days under the Verna system should be abolished now… People from all caste, creed, even religion should be brought on the same platform… No discrimination needed…
Its the responsibility of the citizens and also the government to see that such terrible things never happen….
“Par yeto Sarkar hai, soti hi rahegi…….”
So keep in mind, the only solution to this is, we Hindus should unite together to fight against such evil activities and see that we develop our religion as well as our country….
We need no religion war….. Every religion has equal respect here..no need to say….
Lets built up our vote bank….Hindu Vote bank so that we can control these greedy politicians who can only understand the language of power and votes….
Let them know that we are awake now….
Many Sampradays and Mandals are working for the same upliftment of our religion… So lets work together….
Send me ur email addresses those who are interested in this holy act of improving our religion and people’s deeds….
Build up contacts…. lets work together…
My email address : andy_mclaren2004@yahoo.com
As far as the missionaries are concerned, we have to deal with them in a legal and systematic way which I will figure out soon….
So, don’t loose hope….